Yes, Andrew, please do share more about your research here, if you have time. Fascinating stuff. My MDiv specialization was in digital culture ministry and we had great class discussions about using the power of media responsibly. Still, I think it'…
Thank you to everyone who's participating in this discussion. I wonder if this topic ought to be considered when we do clergy boundaries training in our regions? What would a curriculum look like- how could it best be approached?
Great questions, Rebecca! I have never seen Jesus Camp, but will likely rent it after reading these responses. I have had similar experiences with church camp, retreat weekends, and during several worship services at various churches.
I think Doug…
I'm late to the conversation but I do want to contribute. I believe the key here is not the word emotional, or rational (Thank you Jose), but manipulation. The problem with manipulation is that if we are not attuned to it we often miss when it happe…
Rebecca - yes when it is completed it will be available for others to read and use. I will of course be happy to share it in pdf form with any who would like to take the time to read it. In the mean time I am happy to put some of the thinking I have…
Andrew - will your DMin thesis be published or otherwise available? I'd love to read it. When I read Rebecca (Brown's) post I immediately thought about the power of media to create an immersive (and emotionally powerful) experience in worship. I did…
I would recommend the book 'Pyschology for Christian Ministry' by Fraser Watts, Rebbecca Nye and Sara Savage. All three authors have now published works of thier own as well looking at aspects of psychology in worship and emotional manipulation. As…
Is anyone aware of good reading resources about boundries and ethics of worship? What constitutes emotional manipulation in worship? In working with youth? Are there guidelines anywhere that help define characteristics of emotional integrity in mini…
Jose - Thanks for your response. You bring up valid and interesting points. Frankly, I'm glad that many of the newer congos are charismatic. That is going to add some zest to our mix!
Hello, everyone!
My 2 cents...
As someone is self-identifies as a "charismatic/pentecostal", "born again" Disciple (with, paradoxically, liberal sensibilities), I would offer some counter-balance to what has been discussed thus far.
I do believe…
Let me be clear that I only saw the first 10 or 15 minutes. I only saw the meeting/worship that was taking place a few miles from me. I didn't see the most disturbing stuff from the camp.
It is hard for me to decide what most disturbed me, but I've…
Last thought: the use of personal stories ( evidently bordering on TMI ) seems similar to an AA session ( I will differ to anyone with actual AA experience ). Certainly, an effective technique in therapy so that no one feels they are "too bad" to be…
"Future inclusion or exclusion" - by making the "correct" decision or taking the "correct" action, one is better included in the community. Otherwise, one's status with the community is left peripheral, made more distant, or explicitly excluded (shu…
Rebecca,
1) What is the "Good News?"
2) Why am I a Christian?
At the intersection of those two questions - as they are answered by you, as they are answered by the leaders of the church whose service you witnessed, and how these two differ - shoul…
Douglas-
Your questions are excellent, and helpful- but not entirely helpful as I work through the service that concerned me. At this particular service there was no action requested per se- but the atmosphere of the service felt manipulative to me.…
Brian-
Help me think through what it was about the emotional manipulation you saw in Jesus Camp that made you feel sad and angry. I've seen the movie, and what I witnessed Friday night reminds me of the movie. What are the risks for the children, (i…